The Weird Turn Pro

In this corner, a Ripped Filthy Liar whom we suspect has a glass jaw. And in this corner, a Hairplug-Studded Veteran whose best moments remind you of a vérité Curb Your Enthusiasm. We have no idea what to expect during tonight’s Veep Debate Open Thread/Mixed Mental Arts Competition. We just know it ain’t gonna be normal.


Eeewww, Nojo, a RMoney ad is on the sidebar. Make it stop:


Stillers on cable, debate on the eyePhad, cat on lap.

And Plugz opens by ignoring the question. That’s how you do it!

@SanFranLefty: It’s been a marathon day of deadline design. I ain’t touching nothing tonight. Except beer, cigs, and popcorn.

Wrong question, Martha.

Right question: “When has Obama ever apologized?”

@SanFranLefty: Do you have any voice left after today’s game?

First mention of 9/11!!! Drink up!

Watch Joe grin. Grin, Joe, grin.

I know Bibi! And you, sir, are no Bibi….wait.

I’m thinking Biden isn’t going to let Ryan get away with lying.

@Targa: I know the Joe Grin was coached, but I’m loving it.

They believe in upward mobility…. just get started with dad’s money. Everyone does it.

“When I was a little younger than the Congressman…” I was wondering how he’d get that in.

@Targa: I kept hearing “Rebozo” during the BibiThon.

Biden’s suit looks and fits better. I’m making an early call…. Biden wins!

I take it that Joe is to Paul as Buster Posey is to Mat Latos.

Ryan is a smug bastard. I’m about ready to punch Ryan’s lights out… if not for this new tv, there would be a beer bottle smashed onto it…. and I’m a peaceful guy.

Where’s the problem Paul? Where’s the problem?

Dayum, popcorn tastes good with beer.

Omg I love Biden and his little asides and his chuckling.

“Younger people like myself” doesn’t inspire confidence for a somebody a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Look at the size of Ryan’s flag lapel pin? Really? Does that mean he’s more American?

“I knew Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill…”

A concert promoter once asked me if my band could “guarantee 50 people” to show up to a club.
“Can you guarantee 50 people?”
No one can guarantee anything without excluding mitigating circumstances. I’m still trying to figure out if we can petition the lord with prayer.
Politicians and guarantees are like promising to pull out.

[add] I think the beer is kicking in. Goose Island Harvest Ale.

@Targa: Revolution Octoberfest here. My Chicago beer can beat up your Chicago beer. :)

@Targa: @flippin eck: Sierra Nevada Porter. And budget nuke popcorn.

@nojo: Budget Nuke Popcorn is the name of my new band.

@flippin eck: First time drinking this stuff. Pretty tasty. Normally drink Stone Pale Ale. I ran out of that pretty quickly.

“No one got pulled out who didn’t get filled in.” Words to live by.

America’s doing the Russia Reset!

I’m stone cold sober in a West Virginia hotel room. C’est la vie.

Ryan wanted to say “Put American troops on the ground” but said, “Put American troops on the bomb”.


This line would have been better if Farrow had been alive when Bentsen actually said it.

Abortion with exceptions: Ryan forgot to mention the “make sure this stays secret, don’t let anyone find out this could mean the end of my career I’m a married man beloved by his constituents and this affair and my mistress can’t be made public it will ruin me and my family” constituency.

I hope you don’t have the view of two dogs screwing a la Pegs Olson.

@mellbell: Has it already been four years since you and I watched the Talibunny v. Plugz debate in Dupont Circle with the firefighters and public defenders? Time flies.

@ManchuCandidate: Yeah, baby, GO GIANTS!!!

Just got an email from Obama asking me to back up Joe — that is, send money.

Already got an email from the Democratic party, subject line “JOE. BIDEN.”

@Dodgerblue: @Mistress Cynica: Mine’s late tonight. Getting harangued all week about being recalcitrant 2008 donor.

One thing is sure, from this debate (in my drinking eyes): Joe Biden does NOT like Paul Ryan.

This is a stupid fucking question and neither of them will answer it,Martha.

I think Joe’s blown out his voice…he’s all raspy.

Martha, as a man I can only reference LMFAO as to what I can “bring”, it’s a little ditty titled, I’m “Sexy and I know it”.
Thank you, and God Bless America.

Can we just skip to the skullfucking?

Was it just me or was Martha giving Paul the sweet eye? She looked a bit smitten.

You know what I’m thinking when I watch Ryan giving his closing statement? I’m thinking: how many times did he deliver that exact speech into a mirror, and was he most proud about how he smart he sounded, or how good he looked.

Paul Ryan’s mom keeps going back to Uncle Joe. Methinks she wants to fuck him.

@TJ/ Jamie Sommers /TJ: I thought a lot of her questions were stupid, but I seem to be in the minority.

Okay, I’m on MSNBC for the aftermath… anything better I should tune in to?

@Targa: Well, last week’s MSNBC aftermath was one for the ages…

But I just can’t watch CNN any more, and I don’t have it in me to tune in Fox. So it’s Tweety “scoring” the debate.


I’m wondering why the abortion question has to be related to the candidates’ religion and not to the effect its criminalization would have on women’s lives. It’s like Women are incidental to the abortion issue. But then, that’s how it’s always been hasn’t it? Men asked to legislate an issue that primarily affects women based on their own personal preferences.

What bullshit.

@nojo: I was offended by the framing of the abortion question. Religion has no place in a discussion of government policy.

In order to listen to Ryan for 90 minutes, I had to have a 16-ounce glass of tequila.

Ryan just wrote off the entire judiciary: if elected representatives agree on something, that’s the end of it. Maybe he should read the Constitution.

@TJ/ Jamie Sommers /TJ: That should settle the question of whether the photo shoot was ’shopped. It’s actually from Time.

@karen marie still has her eyes tight shut: But if both candidates profess a certain religion, aren’t you interested in how that religion informs they way they would govern?

@TJ/ Jamie Sommers /TJ: looks like the only thing he works on are his biceps. Those legs look like saplings.

What’s interesting is how much modern debates are theater. Mitt was actually as dull as Obama last week — but he feigned confidence, which gave him the win. Tonight, it was Biden’s attitude that won — he got in Ryan’s face early, and stayed there.

@Tommmcatt May Just Have Some MJ In His System As Well, So What?: No, I’d like to hear how they’ll avoid allowing their personal religious beliefs to affect their public policy positions.

I’ve only seen baseball tonight. My question is did the moderator or Joe happen to ask Ryan why he’s also running for Congress this year? I’d love for the GOP base to have that simple factoid shoved down their throats. If there’s anything true zealots appreciate it’s a leader keeping a fallback position in case God’s plan doesn’t go well.

@karen marie still has her eyes tight shut: But that’s impossible. Religious beliefs form the foundation of one’s moral principles- and morality is a huge factor in making decisions.

Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion. It just means we respect each other’s differences and that we don’t privilege one religious viewpoint over another.

I know it’s the most over-used analogy in politics, but hearing Ryan evade calls for specifics on his tax plan makes me think of a used car salesman using all the tricks of the trade, summoning all his powers of persuasion to try and convince a customer to sign on the dotted line and purchase a particular car on the lot before he’ll let him peek through the window and see how many miles are on the odometer.

@Dave H: Bay Area World Series, suckas!

Minus the terremoto, por favor?

Oh whoops, that might require the Oakland Athletics to, hmmm…I dunno…score a fucking run?!

@Tommmcatt May Just Have Some MJ In His System As Well, So What?: Religious beliefs form the foundation of one’s moral principles

I’m an atheist.

The issue is civic principles, and what you do if you determine that civic principles conflict with your faith. The question was misguided — I don’t care what they believe “as Catholics”. I do care whether they agree with Roe v. Wade, and further, what they think about states trying to run abortion clinics out of business through irrelevant legislation.

The question didn’t tell me anything I needed to know. Just get to the fucking point.

@nojo: I wasn’t referring to atheists at all. Of course atheists have moral principles, but neither man on the stage claimed to be an atheist.

Can you define “civic principles” in a way that divorces them completely from moral principles? Bit of a stretch, don’t you think?

Their Catholicism and how they reconcile it with their policy is very important. It speaks to issues of character, and also to the issue of separating those beliefs from policy the time comes.

@Tommmcatt May Just Have Some MJ In His System As Well, So What?: Can you define “civic principles” in a way that divorces them completely from moral principles? Bit of a stretch, don’t you think?

I personally have no issue with frying Heinous Murderers. However, the inability to apply that sentence with any certainty or consistency argues against it. Something like that.

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