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Even when I’m drunk out of my mind, I still couldn’t even think of BBQing a dog. Maybe eating a fully loaded meatball sub or a plate of poutine, but that’s about it.

And I come from a people who are well known to feast on dog.

I’ve been reading all this Raymond Chandler. “Seamus” just means “private investigator” to me now. Also, snub-nosed revolvers are strangely appealing, although the frequency with which people die in Chandler’s stories makes me suspect that a far better choice would be to do anything other than being a private investigator. The protagonist (or at least the narrator) never dies, but that’s just because the story would have to stop part way through.

This has been your hard-bitten detective lit threadjack, with IanJ. We now return you to this dog-abuse thread, already in progress.

@ManchuCandidate: there’s a huge difference between eating a pet-quality dog and eating one that was raised for teh purpose.

Not that I support the eating of dog. But I am arguementative and bossy by nature.

@IanJ: The private dick is a shamus.

Although you sent me dictionary-foraging with that one. Near as the linguists can tell, shamus is just an Americanization of seamus, which means — wait for it — James.

And now I’m really lost: How did James become hard-nosed slang for Private Eye?

I’m going to say it: Dog, chicken, cat, rabbit, hamster, nutria, cow–I see no hierarchy of animals if they were going to eat the dog.

If they killed the dog for kicks, yes, that is very sick.

But we kill all sorts of animals in truly fucked up ways after they lived short fucked up lives so we can get huge amounts of cheap protein that we don’t even need.

@IanJ: I have a snub nose .38/.357 ruger SP 101 revolver that I really like a lot. It was the second gun I got when I got serious about filling out my handgun selection. Although it has fixed sights, it’s very accurate at the 7-10 yard range. Its mass and. grips soak up the recoil even with .357s. I put Crimson Trace laser grips to help aim in low light, so it’s not totally old school. Holds five rounds.

Romney-backer Michael Vick and Malek should bond over their love of dogs ….

On the Seamus/shamus thing…

MAN in VW
Hey, relax man, I’m a brother shamus.
DUDE
Brother Shamus? Like an Irish monk?
MAN
What the fuck are you talking about? My name’s Da Fino! I’m a private snoop! Like you, man!

At my first LebowskiFest in LA seven years ago, I found Brother Seamus and taped this:
http://www.diverdan.name/BroSeamus1.wmv

@I’m passing for white: Stealing a dog and beating it to death with a 2×4 until blood splatters everywhere, then skinning it and putting it on a skewer for some fucked-up drunken stunt is a little bit different than raising cows for slaughter. I am the first to note that slaughterhouses suck, and I make a real effort to buy any meat products from the organic hippies at the ferry building who have raised the cow or chicken and given it shiatsu massages and try to kill the animal in a painless matter. The consumption of meat and the torture of an animal are not morally equivalent. Animals killed for food are supposed to be slaughtered in humane manners, per the law. Whether that happens is a matter of enforcement – the failure to adhere to these laws and moral precepts doesn’t excuse shit like what Malek did.

The fact that a person eats meat (hello, humans are ominvores!) doesn’t mean she or he can’t condemn cruelty to animals. If they had stolen a pig or a chicken and beaten it to death with a 2×4 for shit and giggles, it would have been morally repugnant.

So it’s giving this sociopathic fuck a major pass to somehow say what he did is no different than eating bacon or steak. There is a difference. It’s not an either/or, and it is simplistic to argue such.

@I’m passing for white: Plus, it was 1959. I’m more concerned with this dude’s Nixon-Bush-McCain connection.

@ManchuCandidate: you’re French?

@flypaper: Well, he’s not Quebecois.

All based on the “dog meant as food assumption”:

Stealing a dog…

“Caught” or “stolen”?

and beating it to death with a 2×4

Not the most painless way to go, but unless you kill your food yourself, you are buying pre-killed, pre-gutted and pre-skinned dead animals and relying on the word of the people who sell you animal flesh when it comes to how those animals lived and died.

until blood splatters everywhere, then skinning it and putting it on a skewer for some fucked-up drunken stunt is a little bit different than raising cows for slaughter.

Are you sure? These are sober people.

The consumption of meat and the torture of an animal are not morally equivalent.

Most animals are tortured before we consume them. Again–if you didn’t kill it yourself, you really don’t know how it died.

I’m not talking about moral equivalency, because, if you really stop to think about it, killing for meat is killing for meat. None of these animals die of natural causes, and I bet if they’d beat a rat, skinned and skewered it, no one would be losing their shit quite this way.

Simplistically argued, eating animals you didn’t kill yourself is participating in dirty business that more often than not involves torture. Omnivores (hello!) should wake up and own it and not think that they are morally superior because they think that what they’re eating lived a full, happy life and was anesthetized before it was killed.

We get to pay extra for that rationalization leap of faith.

Would that pastured cow rather be grazing or on a plate?

N.B. I’m fine with people eating meat. I ate some tonight. It wasn’t bad, but it was quite dead.

I can’t stand anything.