It’s Your Funeral

Ron Paul, reacting to news that the CIA runs attack drones in Afghanistan and Pakistan, raises Frank Church from the dead:

There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries… And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve… And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established [after] World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They’re in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators… We need to take out the CIA.

It was nice knowin’ ya, Ron. Say hi to Jack and Hoffa for us.

Ron Paul: After ‘CIA coup,’ agency ‘runs military’ [Raw Story]

I try hard to not be a Paultard but sometimes the guy is just the only one making sense.

there is no blurb on the right of the stinque banner???!!!

its like noticing there is no north star.

@Capt Howdy: It’s there. But the blurb is a live feed from Twitter, and you know how famous Twitter is for five-nine performance.

@Capt Howdy:

OMG that should totally be made into a video game.

Bloodless coup in US America today, as on December 12, 2000.

Has anyone else read this book? I’m reading it now and, even though I was already vaguely aware of a lot of these stories, it’s really depressing to hear how the same shit keeps happening over and over again. We’ve really learned nothing in the past 110 years.

@TJ/ Jamie Sommers /TJ:
even more frightening they have learned what works.

@Capt Howdy: We all like to hate on the Paultards, but he’s the mirror-image of Elf-King Kucinich in so many ways. OK, so many of us like to hate on the Elf-King too, but I don’t think that’s very productive. The point is, they are making valid points when almost nobody else in Congress is.

@Pedonator: Fair enough, but as Chainsaw and every str8 male Stinquer will tell you, the Elf King is married to a sexy hot ginger Elf Queen.

This thing from Paul is nothing but a more intellectual, less insane, watered down version of the “black helicopters” right-libertarian conspiracy theory paranoia.

As far as serious policy in how to really deal with the Taliban and Al Quada, I personally think CIA covert action is a far more reasonable and sane response than, oh, wholesale bombing, invasions, and conventional warfare, and yes, even if “civilians” are also casualties of these attacks, I am sure the overall human waste and detsruction is far, far, far less than the Bush-Cheney method.

@Pedonator: I don’t think Kucinich is a mirror image, and it does him a disservice to compare him to Paul. Ron Paul is a social luddite, his ideology is a rejection of the idea of community itself, a rejection of the idea that collective action by humans in the form of government, is valid. I do truly believe that the Randian, John Galt narcissistic libertarianism he shares with his followers is a social pathology.

Kucinich is just a liberal, an old fashioned Roosevelt liberal. He is an object of mockery by modern, realpolitik liberals, simply because his beliefs have been moved leftward by the severe lurch rightward of US politics in general over the last 40 years.

He should stay away from the “chemtrails” issue, though, that is loony fringe.

@Promnight: Why haven’t the Paultards moved to Haiti yet? Isn’t that their idea of paradise? No government, no regulations, no infrastructure, no social services, no limits on weapon-wielding…etc…

/off to read the SCOTUS decision for Chainsaw

@SanFranLefty: I’ve been saying it for years to conservatives who talk about “small government, no social services, its all communism.” First, I ask them, “OK, if this small government thing with no commie social services is the ideal form of government, can you point out a country on earth with this form of government you can show me as an example of how wonderful it is?”

Then I ask, how can it be that we became the world’s greatest superpower, and economic powerhouse, exactly during the same time frame we were in the middle of the longest period when liberal, big government, social-welfare policies were in the ascendancy?

Then I point out various nations around the world with minimal governments, and ask them if they would prefer to live in those places.

Of course, facts are futile in these arguments.

My brother, a staunch conservative reaganite, worked for the last US flagged major shipping company for 20 years, he was very succesful, and because his paychecks are big, he thinks his opinions have merit, ipso facto.

But then his proud US company was taken over by a Swedish company, and they put him on the sidetrack and eventually got rid of him. And I would ask, “bro, Sweden, thats the most socialist company in Europe, you are always saying, its this socialism that keeps our country down, how can it be that your US company was taken over by Swedish company, by your logic, no Swedish company should be able to compete in the market?” His response was and is a loud repitition of Limbaugh soundbites, none having any relevance.

@Promnight: Yeah, well I just alienated half of my high school acquaintances (aka Book of Faces “friends”) by shutting down their little meme of “Haiti has no government, I’ll send them Pelosi, [the nigger] Obama, [the fag] Barney Frank, Coakley, Harry Reid, blah blah – OMFG IF YOU BELIEVE THIS CUT AND PASTE IT AND PASS IT ON AND PRAY TO JEEBUS” with my response of:

“I thought that “no government” was every conservative’s wet dream! I would think every FOX news viewing conservative would want to flee the “socialism” of the US and move to this paradise of no oppression by the government: No building or construction regulations, no taxes, no limits on the right to bear arms and machetes, no criminal justice system, no infrastructure, no roads, no social services or health care for the poor! Why it is a Ron Paul Paradise! Pack your bags, Republicans, pack your bags! Why aren’t you living there already??”

I thought that was a much more mature response than:

“Suck my dick, motherfuckers!”

Which was what I was thinking.

@SanFranLefty: Can I just say yet again, without getting weepy, how much I love my Stinquers, for making me realize that Mr. SFL and I aren’t the only crazy pants smart people who want to (a) jump on an Ark; (b) sterilize ourselves; and/or (c) drink heavily.


@Promnight: @SanFranLefty: The ‘Libertarian’ idea is a sentimentalized Disney version of life only possible for those who have always lived surrounded by abundant social services and structures. Let them arrive at their Safeway and find that it stocks nothing but salt and cheap cooking oil with maybe a selection of barrettes occupying miles of emtpy shelves and they’d be the first to scream and bawl in the parking lot.

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