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		<title>By: redmanlaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>redmanlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-71418&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JNOV&lt;/a&gt;: I have mentioned my college work study job where we used to photograph people before they went in for autopsies.  Saw a lot of dead people there (MVAs, GSW, ADW, etc.) but I quit going when I saw my first crispy critter.   We saw lots of victims of violence as reporters also.  Again, more motor vehicle accidents and  gunshot wounds. 

One of my most memorable ledes was &quot;She died with a beer can in her hand.&quot;  It was a long (several newspaper pages long with a lot of photos) story of the last week of a 16 year old girl&#039;s life when she left home to hang with friends, hooked up with an older guy and went drinking for a few days.  She died on US 666 north of Gallup, NM, the Devil&#039;s Highway (for reals) on the Navajo Reservation.   The photographer and I got there after ambulance left with the survivors but before the cops showed up to take control of the scene. She was in the back seat, covered by a sheet.  Her slender brown arm stuck out from under the cover, holding a crushed tall boy, as I recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-71418" rel="nofollow">JNOV</a>: I have mentioned my college work study job where we used to photograph people before they went in for autopsies.  Saw a lot of dead people there (MVAs, GSW, ADW, etc.) but I quit going when I saw my first crispy critter.   We saw lots of victims of violence as reporters also.  Again, more motor vehicle accidents and  gunshot wounds. </p>
<p>One of my most memorable ledes was &#8220;She died with a beer can in her hand.&#8221;  It was a long (several newspaper pages long with a lot of photos) story of the last week of a 16 year old girl&#8217;s life when she left home to hang with friends, hooked up with an older guy and went drinking for a few days.  She died on US 666 north of Gallup, NM, the Devil&#8217;s Highway (for reals) on the Navajo Reservation.   The photographer and I got there after ambulance left with the survivors but before the cops showed up to take control of the scene. She was in the back seat, covered by a sheet.  Her slender brown arm stuck out from under the cover, holding a crushed tall boy, as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: JNOV</title>
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		<dc:creator>JNOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 00:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-71324&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nojo&lt;/a&gt;: Well, since I&#039;m sharing sea stories, North Island NAS had a terrible accident when I was stationed at Balboa. A fighter jet took off, started to roll, and the crew ejected into the tarmac. I was in x-ray school at the time, and they needed someone to go down to the morgue. I was like, &quot;Um. No. Please. No.&quot; I must&#039;ve turned green or something, so they didn&#039;t make me go. 

@All: Thanks for allowing me to share. I&#039;ve never talked about most of this stuff. I&#039;ve certainly thought about it, but I&#039;ve never really &lt;i&gt;thought&lt;/i&gt; about it. 

Summer Sandeen over at Pam&#039;s House Blend is ex-Navy, and she&#039;s the first one I&#039;ve ever talked to about some of this stuff, usually within the context of DADT and the horrific things I&#039;ve seen done to service members because they were suspected of being GBLT. Just suspected. I just can&#039;t write about it. And these poor kids would make up all these unbelievable stories about how they were injured, because they were supposed to be tough. Tough guys don&#039;t get raped.

And my GOD the fucking hazing that goes on -- all with a sick humiliating twist. If any of you knows someone who was in the Navy, ask them if they&#039;re a Shellback. See if they&#039;ll tell you about it.

ADD: Jr and I are headed out to The World Cafe to go play some old skool Duck Hunt and Punch Out. I get beers, so Yay! See you on the flip side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-71324" rel="nofollow">nojo</a>: Well, since I&#8217;m sharing sea stories, North Island NAS had a terrible accident when I was stationed at Balboa. A fighter jet took off, started to roll, and the crew ejected into the tarmac. I was in x-ray school at the time, and they needed someone to go down to the morgue. I was like, &#8220;Um. No. Please. No.&#8221; I must&#8217;ve turned green or something, so they didn&#8217;t make me go. </p>
<p>@All: Thanks for allowing me to share. I&#8217;ve never talked about most of this stuff. I&#8217;ve certainly thought about it, but I&#8217;ve never really <i>thought</i> about it. </p>
<p>Summer Sandeen over at Pam&#8217;s House Blend is ex-Navy, and she&#8217;s the first one I&#8217;ve ever talked to about some of this stuff, usually within the context of DADT and the horrific things I&#8217;ve seen done to service members because they were suspected of being GBLT. Just suspected. I just can&#8217;t write about it. And these poor kids would make up all these unbelievable stories about how they were injured, because they were supposed to be tough. Tough guys don&#8217;t get raped.</p>
<p>And my GOD the fucking hazing that goes on &#8212; all with a sick humiliating twist. If any of you knows someone who was in the Navy, ask them if they&#8217;re a Shellback. See if they&#8217;ll tell you about it.</p>
<p>ADD: Jr and I are headed out to The World Cafe to go play some old skool Duck Hunt and Punch Out. I get beers, so Yay! See you on the flip side.</p>
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		<title>By: RomeGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>RomeGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 00:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-71398&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FlyingChainSaw&lt;/a&gt;: This was the argument a friend of mine and I had with RomeBoy, who is a big 2nd A advocate. We won the argument, because RB started out by saying that everyone should be able to have the right to carry; but then we started specifying, and he shut up right quick.

To everyone else: I&#039;m loving all - ALL - of your comments. It shows just how complicated this is.

I remember meeting a soldier from this war on leave in Paris. He was with his mom, who flew in to see him. He was a baby. A BABY. And at that moment, I realized they were not to blame. It is their superiors - and probably not even their immediate superiors, but the ones back at the desks - who should see what they&#039;re doing to these kids, on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-71398" rel="nofollow">FlyingChainSaw</a>: This was the argument a friend of mine and I had with RomeBoy, who is a big 2nd A advocate. We won the argument, because RB started out by saying that everyone should be able to have the right to carry; but then we started specifying, and he shut up right quick.</p>
<p>To everyone else: I&#8217;m loving all &#8211; ALL &#8211; of your comments. It shows just how complicated this is.</p>
<p>I remember meeting a soldier from this war on leave in Paris. He was with his mom, who flew in to see him. He was a baby. A BABY. And at that moment, I realized they were not to blame. It is their superiors &#8211; and probably not even their immediate superiors, but the ones back at the desks &#8211; who should see what they&#8217;re doing to these kids, on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: nojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Peggy Noonan checked in yet? This is probably one of those things she&#039;d prefer we not know about, lest it upset our delicate sensibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Peggy Noonan checked in yet? This is probably one of those things she&#8217;d prefer we not know about, lest it upset our delicate sensibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: nojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-71403&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benedick&lt;/a&gt;: Don&#039;t be simplistic.

And yes.</description>
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<p>And yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Benedick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benedick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-71402&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nojo&lt;/a&gt;: Because it made them look bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-71402" rel="nofollow">nojo</a>: Because it made them look bad?</p>
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		<title>By: nojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-71399&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JNOV&lt;/a&gt;: Well, there&#039;s the expert judgment I was looking for: Someone who knows a lot more about this shit than I do.

And, alas, because Wikileaks chose to focus on the event itself, undermining their specific claims will close public discussion.

Still unclear: Why did the Pentagon sit on the Reuters FOIA request? (Apparently Reuters editors were able to view the footage privately, but not release it.) All the broader issues surrounding the event and video remain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-71399" rel="nofollow">JNOV</a>: Well, there&#8217;s the expert judgment I was looking for: Someone who knows a lot more about this shit than I do.</p>
<p>And, alas, because Wikileaks chose to focus on the event itself, undermining their specific claims will close public discussion.</p>
<p>Still unclear: Why did the Pentagon sit on the Reuters FOIA request? (Apparently Reuters editors were able to view the footage privately, but not release it.) All the broader issues surrounding the event and video remain.</p>
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		<title>By: SanFranLefty</title>
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		<dc:creator>SanFranLefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-71379&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JNOV&lt;/a&gt;:  My heart aches. Thank you for sharing that, and I echo Benedick in thanking you for digging up all the links.  I look forward to reading what you have to say, if and when you are ready to write more about your time in the Navy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-71379" rel="nofollow">JNOV</a>:  My heart aches. Thank you for sharing that, and I echo Benedick in thanking you for digging up all the links.  I look forward to reading what you have to say, if and when you are ready to write more about your time in the Navy.</p>
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		<title>By: Benedick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benedick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-71399&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JNOV&lt;/a&gt;: Thanks for your posts on this topic. And for the links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-71399" rel="nofollow">JNOV</a>: Thanks for your posts on this topic. And for the links.</p>
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		<title>By: JNOV</title>
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		<dc:creator>JNOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-71388&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nojo&lt;/a&gt;: Anthony Martinez, who says he&#039;s viewed at least 4,500 hours of aerial footage of Iraq says it&#039;s an RPG. http://blog.ajmartinez.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-collateral-murder/ and also says he wouldn&#039;t have approved the attack on the van.

Wounded kids found and interviewed - no translation but pictures of their injuries and scars (scroll down): http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/wikileaks-defends-release-of-video-showing-killing-of-journalists-in-iraq/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-71388" rel="nofollow">nojo</a>: Anthony Martinez, who says he&#8217;s viewed at least 4,500 hours of aerial footage of Iraq says it&#8217;s an RPG. <a href="http://blog.ajmartinez.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-collateral-murder/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.ajmartinez.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-collateral-murder/</a> and also says he wouldn&#8217;t have approved the attack on the van.</p>
<p>Wounded kids found and interviewed &#8211; no translation but pictures of their injuries and scars (scroll down): <a href="http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/wikileaks-defends-release-of-video-showing-killing-of-journalists-in-iraq/" rel="nofollow">http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/wikileaks-defends-release-of-video-showing-killing-of-journalists-in-iraq/</a></p>
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