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		<title>By: nojo</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2009/04/27/dancing-in-the-dark/#comment-32757</link>
		<dc:creator>nojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32735&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nabisco&lt;/a&gt;: My understanding is that the Cheney story goes back to — drumroll, please — Watergate. As a member of the Ford administration, he deeply resented the limits placed on presidential power.

@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32752&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Original Andrew&lt;/a&gt;: To state something obvious: The media, not satisfied with failing us in 2002-2003, are intent on failing us again. You don&#039;t have to do the Full Olbermann to see something wrong in all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-32735" rel="nofollow">Nabisco</a>: My understanding is that the Cheney story goes back to — drumroll, please — Watergate. As a member of the Ford administration, he deeply resented the limits placed on presidential power.</p>
<p>@<a href="#comment-32752" rel="nofollow">Original Andrew</a>: To state something obvious: The media, not satisfied with failing us in 2002-2003, are intent on failing us again. You don&#8217;t have to do the Full Olbermann to see something wrong in all this.</p>
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		<title>By: Original Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Original Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32733&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nojo&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;i&gt; Where are they now?&lt;/i&gt;

Pretty much where you&#039;d expect: signing seven figure book deals; ensconsced in the academic institutions they claim to despise and teaching a whole new generation that crime pays; appearing as Serious Experts and regular contributors on teevee and in our &lt;i&gt;Pravda&lt;/i&gt;-esque noospapers, and so forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-32733" rel="nofollow">nojo</a>:<br />
<i> Where are they now?</i></p>
<p>Pretty much where you&#8217;d expect: signing seven figure book deals; ensconsced in the academic institutions they claim to despise and teaching a whole new generation that crime pays; appearing as Serious Experts and regular contributors on teevee and in our <i>Pravda</i>-esque noospapers, and so forth.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabisco</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2009/04/27/dancing-in-the-dark/#comment-32735</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32733&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nojo&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;but my interest is how it all started&lt;/i&gt;. The bio of Cheney, &lt;i&gt;Angler&lt;/i&gt; suggests that it all started long before inauguration day. Well, the criminal conspiracy stuff anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-32733" rel="nofollow">nojo</a>: <i>but my interest is how it all started</i>. The bio of Cheney, <i>Angler</i> suggests that it all started long before inauguration day. Well, the criminal conspiracy stuff anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: nojo</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2009/04/27/dancing-in-the-dark/#comment-32733</link>
		<dc:creator>nojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32707&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SanFranLefty&lt;/a&gt;: There&#039;s a &quot;rest of the story&quot; feel to what follows after Mission Accomplished, so that seemed a natural cutoff.

But I may fill in this one some more. I forgot to include the odd coincidence of Powell giving his UN speech the afternoon a Senate committee was discussing Bybee&#039;s appeals-court nomination, for example. And I thought about including the torture law Reagan signed, but I liked the forty-year jump from the Geneva Conventions to the War Crimes Act.

(And yes, there&#039;s definitely an interesting follow-up comparing Inhofe&#039;s comments between 1996 and now. For one thing, he mentions the Oklahoma City bombing in that same speech.)

But the main thing was that I personally needed to make sense of all the facts that dribbled out last week, your classic newspaper timeline sidebar. And I needed a resource to judge all the lies coming out &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; week.

Case in point: There&#039;s a quote out there from a NYT reporter saying he can&#039;t call it &quot;torture&quot; because that&#039;s in dispute. Well, no it isn&#039;t. One of the patterns we see is Rummy &amp; Minions deliberating ignoring the legal consensus, cherry-picking the Gitmo lawyer&#039;s provisional opinion and shutting down the review by the Pentagon&#039;s own legal office. Torturing was railroaded, just as — and at the same time — the war was railroaded.

Literally: a criminal conspiracy.

Another thread I don&#039;t follow here, but is definitely worth following up, is the role of the psychiatrists — licensed medical professionals. The 2007 Vanity Fair story looks at SERE shrink Bruce Jessen, and it&#039;s worth a fresh visit in light of what we know now.

Still another thread: Where are they now? Not all the names are familiar — like Yoo, Delahunty is back in academia.

So I may build on this, but probably not extend the timeline. The Senate report does carry it through to Bagram and Abu Ghraib, and there&#039;s yet another story about the fate of the &quot;bad apples&quot; that Olbermann&#039;s been touching on, but my interest is how it all started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-32707" rel="nofollow">SanFranLefty</a>: There&#8217;s a &#8220;rest of the story&#8221; feel to what follows after Mission Accomplished, so that seemed a natural cutoff.</p>
<p>But I may fill in this one some more. I forgot to include the odd coincidence of Powell giving his UN speech the afternoon a Senate committee was discussing Bybee&#8217;s appeals-court nomination, for example. And I thought about including the torture law Reagan signed, but I liked the forty-year jump from the Geneva Conventions to the War Crimes Act.</p>
<p>(And yes, there&#8217;s definitely an interesting follow-up comparing Inhofe&#8217;s comments between 1996 and now. For one thing, he mentions the Oklahoma City bombing in that same speech.)</p>
<p>But the main thing was that I personally needed to make sense of all the facts that dribbled out last week, your classic newspaper timeline sidebar. And I needed a resource to judge all the lies coming out <i>this</i> week.</p>
<p>Case in point: There&#8217;s a quote out there from a NYT reporter saying he can&#8217;t call it &#8220;torture&#8221; because that&#8217;s in dispute. Well, no it isn&#8217;t. One of the patterns we see is Rummy &#038; Minions deliberating ignoring the legal consensus, cherry-picking the Gitmo lawyer&#8217;s provisional opinion and shutting down the review by the Pentagon&#8217;s own legal office. Torturing was railroaded, just as — and at the same time — the war was railroaded.</p>
<p>Literally: a criminal conspiracy.</p>
<p>Another thread I don&#8217;t follow here, but is definitely worth following up, is the role of the psychiatrists — licensed medical professionals. The 2007 Vanity Fair story looks at SERE shrink Bruce Jessen, and it&#8217;s worth a fresh visit in light of what we know now.</p>
<p>Still another thread: Where are they now? Not all the names are familiar — like Yoo, Delahunty is back in academia.</p>
<p>So I may build on this, but probably not extend the timeline. The Senate report does carry it through to Bagram and Abu Ghraib, and there&#8217;s yet another story about the fate of the &#8220;bad apples&#8221; that Olbermann&#8217;s been touching on, but my interest is how it all started.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Sommers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Sommers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FSM has one heluva sense of humor.</description>
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		<title>By: chicago bureau</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2009/04/27/dancing-in-the-dark/#comment-32726</link>
		<dc:creator>chicago bureau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32722&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jamie Sommers&lt;/a&gt;: Per Jamie Sommers (my God -- I&#039;m getting my news from here now), apparently Mexico City had one of those earthquakes you keep hearing about from time to time on the teevee.

Jamie supposes something was done in Mexico to offend the gods.  On a related note, up in Virginia Beach, Pat Robertson was just heard shouting, &quot;NO, YOU IDIOT! IOWA! SMITE IOWA!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-32722" rel="nofollow">Jamie Sommers</a>: Per Jamie Sommers (my God &#8212; I&#8217;m getting my news from here now), apparently Mexico City had one of those earthquakes you keep hearing about from time to time on the teevee.</p>
<p>Jamie supposes something was done in Mexico to offend the gods.  On a related note, up in Virginia Beach, Pat Robertson was just heard shouting, &#8220;NO, YOU IDIOT! IOWA! SMITE IOWA!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Sommers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Sommers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how did david shuster get a gig on a nat&#039;l teevee? his nasally voice and loud breathing makes Fran Dresher sound lovely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how did david shuster get a gig on a nat&#8217;l teevee? his nasally voice and loud breathing makes Fran Dresher sound lovely.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommmcatt the Wet Sprocket</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2009/04/27/dancing-in-the-dark/#comment-32720</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommmcatt the Wet Sprocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was brilliant, Nojo.  Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was brilliant, Nojo.  Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: redmanlaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>redmanlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32716&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jamie Sommers&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;Don&#039;t tase me, bro!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-32716" rel="nofollow">Jamie Sommers</a>: &#8220;Don&#8217;t tase me, bro!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Sommers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Sommers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breaking-
5 members of Congress incl. John Lewis and Keith Ellison arrested at Darfur protest.</description>
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5 members of Congress incl. John Lewis and Keith Ellison arrested at Darfur protest.</p>
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