Comments on: James Dobson’s Voice of Jesus Bagged in Sting Operation Chasing Apparent Near Pre-Teen For Sex

By: IanJ

IanJ — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:00:06 +0000

@FlyingChainSaw: My intended implication was that this kind of sting/entrapment is one way to catch an offender before they've actually done damage. That is, (from a policely point of view) if a given dude has the propensity to diddle underage girls, and may some day do it, by leading him into the situation (which he wouldn't allow himself to be led into if he didn't already lean this way), we can catch him and prevent any future interaction with actual 14 yo cockgobblers. That's the impression I get of the trail of logic that leads to this kind of sting. Please correct me if I've got it wrong: I am often incorrect about this kind of thing.

By: FlyingChainSaw

FlyingChainSaw — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:14:54 +0000

In some of my professional reading, there is a case some years back in the UK to make it a public health issue after the cops realized, actually one activist executive detective, came to the conclusion that the forensics of his craft were so based on blind luck that they could gain much more ground in protecting kids by getting the people to seek professional help at the first instance. The real good work is grossly underfunded and, like anywhere, it depends on luck, forensic insight and brutal grind, like seeing a tartan in one picture and the edge of a license plate in another and surmising the possible states and then searching patterns of local catholic school uniforms in those states for 100 hours without sleep. This takes the passion of the artisan and those types rarely end up as cops. Therefore, the money goes into cheap stings that keep the numbers up. @IanJ: And how do you catch them before they’ve done it, instead of after the damage has been done?

By: Benedick

Benedick — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:37:21 +0000

@IanJ: I couldn't agree more about the stupidity. And that's the most charitable light one can cast on the man's actions. I'm just reminded of all the entrapment cases dreamed up by cops over the years. I'd lump Larry Craig in with it. He was set up by a cop.

By: IanJ

IanJ — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:31:09 +0000

@Benedick: I actually agree with you, and I think this is a sticky issue at the moment, and has been as long as there have been police stings. Would I be stupid enough to broker a deal to sell arms to Al Qaeda? No. But should someone be prosecuted for taking advantage of a situation that would have never existed without the cops leading it on? I don't know. But then, how dumb do you have to be to A) agree to meet a 14 yo to have sex, and B) not realize that 100% of sex-soliciting teenage girls on the internet are chubby cops? Or from the law enforcement point of view, how do you catch the real lowlifes who are making and selling child pornography, or pressing girls into prostitution? And how do you catch them before they've done it, instead of after the damage has been done? This is an interesting legal argument, and I'd love to hear from some of the Stinquely lawyers on it. I don't know enough about intent and how that factors into things, but I remember my mom (a lawyer) saying that there's no legal quandary involved in this kind of operation, if it's done correctly.

By: SanFranLefty

SanFranLefty — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:09:26 +0000

@Hose Manikin: Your man Arnie is taking my money, Unicorn is giving me some of my money back.

By: Benedick

Benedick — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:10:41 +0000

@IanJ: Of course not. But what if the 'girl' came on to him and led the conversation? And if there had been no cop there would have been no 'girl'? These cases make me think of the day-care panic in the 80s.

By: IanJ

IanJ — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:51:49 +0000

@Benedick: On the other hand, is it ever appropriate to respond, "Oh yeah baby" when someone says they're a 14 yo girl urging for a throat full of your throbbing cock? Even more, is it appropriate to then act on that reaction by going to meet the aforesaid 14 yo girl?

By: FlyingChainSaw

FlyingChainSaw — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:22:39 +0000

@Benedick: It is and it is funded every year by the federal government. The hard work of chasing down the kids who are showing up being raped in child porn gets some of this money but a lot of it is shunted off to cheap collar churning operations like this. It makes the numbers move and that is what policing is all about.

By: Benedick

Benedick — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:07:35 +0000

Not that I’m advocating anything here but this is entrapment. Would the crime have existed if it had not been for the police? Has he actually done anything?

By: nojo

nojo — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 05:55:29 +0000

teenage gir

Corrected.

Look, Gir is on my desktop and iPhone. Don’t make me imagine him going all taco over a creep.