No More Mr. Nice Gay

Thanks, Her Commandant. My views on this matter unravel daily. I got banned from AmericaBlog (I know, right) for calling John Aravosis a petulant self-righteous queen. He didn’t take it well (sidebar: I know a petulant self-righteous queen when I see one). But I will download and send.

What I’m hating are the red-baiting tactics adopted by our side and the whole juvenizing of the issue. One is not a boy one is a grown man and too much of this is getting too… gay. OK. I hate that word. So take me out and stone me.

What about those Focus On The Family fuckwits … do they claim to be exempt?

Might as well be smart and nasty about it. I’d also expand it to the other nonprofits like the Knights of Columbus.

What many Mormoni fail to understand is that they’re not so well liked either. No I’m not talking about the whole Xtian vs Xtian, Space Jeebus thing and liking Battlefield Earth, but the whole knocking on doors thing while people are trying to sleep or do shit for 30 years or so.

The smartest thing the Mormoni did where I live was stop knocking on doors.

@blogenfreude:

The Fluffers might have bigger problems than the IRS.

http://coloradoindependent.com/15287/after-pumping-money-into-prop-8-focus-on-the-family-announcing-layoffs

@Benedick: I think y’all are welcome to break out the histrionics — the moment has arrived when there’s no reason not to be self-righteous. You keep being “nice,” the issue will keep being put off. And with the election in the can, no worries about a Rovian backlash that’ll fuck everything up.

Remember: this is not interest-group politics. This is not some kind of zero-sum issue where asserting your rights will conflict with somebody else’s. This is not GLAAD getting pissy because of insufficient representation in television shows. The Mormons, the Catholics, the fundies, the Foxies are bigots — there is no “principled” position against the issue. Either you are citizens with all rights due your status, or you are not.

Just don’t expect the Democrats to help. They’re scared to death.

I haven’t actually seen a copy of the oh-ficial LDS letter. Did somebody behind enemy lines actually obtain and preserve a copy and post it on the Tubes? Plz advise kthx.

@Benedick:

Queens will be queens. There’s no getting around that!

I went to our protest over the weekend, and I was struck by all the crazy fringe lefty groups that had little booths up….

@chicago bureau: If by “behind enemy lines” you means the LDS Newsroom…

California and Same-Sex Marriage (6/29/08)

Same-Sex Marriage and Proposition 8 (10/16/08)

The second entry is a link list with many more references to enjoy.

@Tommmcatt Yet Again: Hemp.

@redmanlaw:

And the Socialists! Real Socialists! I had a picture taken with them.

@Tommmcatt Yet Again: The fricken “Free Mumia” people were at the SF No on H8 rally. Only a few Code Pinkers, though.

@SanFranLefty: @Tommmcatt Yet Again: And thus the problem with liberals. Too many causes and too much to change to really be able to focus on one thing. Everyone brings their issue (reference see: IMF/World Bank protests). That is why the conservatives were so successful for a long time – if you have a monolithic worldview it is much easier to organize. Hell, Obama probably scored points just talking about ‘change’ because we all like it, even though that probably means 1,000,000 different things to 1,000,000 different people.

@ManchuCandidate: Saw that – they might shrink, but they’ll never go away given the ability of groups like that to get wingnut welfare.

Hey cub, re our posts about God’s wrath vs gay-loving Californians etc, check out these cool satellite photos, taken yesterday: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/fires/main/usa/cal_fires_2008_1117.html

While we’re on the subject of hate (from Crooks & Liars):

GINGRICH: Look, I think there is a gay and secular fascism in this country that wants to impose its will on the rest of us, is prepared to use violence, to use harassment. I think it is prepared to use the government if it can get control of it. I think that it is a very dangerous threat to anybody who believes in traditional religion. And I think if you believe in historic Christianity, you have to confront the fact. And, frank — for that matter, if you believe in the historic version of Islam or the historic version of Judaism, you have to confront the reality that these secular extremists are determined to impose on you acceptance of a series of values that are antithetical, they’re the opposite, of what you’re taught in Sunday school.

@homofascist: This is why President Obama is going to infuriate so many of us people who call ourselves liberals. We want the new administration to blow up every shred of the cesspool left behind by the Bush administration and reinvent the entire federal government. Obama appears to be a very very focused individual and I don’t think he’s going to take such a random course.

I’m guessing “that one” already has a vision for what this country could become and that his team is already hard at work reshaping it. Have you noticed at change.gov that they are placing their press releases online so everyone can read them without any spinning (pro or con) from the MSM? Imagine that, a US administration communicating directly with the citizens of the entire planet. It’s revolutionary but in a quiet, under-the-radar way. I think these next eight years are shaping up to be a tremendously exciting time.

While I am in absolute agreement with the Prop 8 protests I think we all know that this is an issue that will eventually be decided in the judicial system. Minorities in the US have always had to seek the protection of the courts from the majority’s fervor (in both Congress and in state legislatures) to keep them in a subservient place. Let’s allow President Obama a little time to get some real constitutional law heavyweights on the Supreme Court bench and get this issue into the branch of government where it truly belongs. Human rights is always an interpretation of this country’s primary law, the Constitution, and not a legislative – or a popular vote – decision. The basis of this entire nation is that people (an astonishingly slippery concept in our history) inherently have their rights. All the laws have been passed to limit the rights.

@Dodgerblue: Gingrich is a perfect example of legislator as rabble-rouser. Is it pathetic that this guy was actually Speaker of the House? He’ll oppose anybody or anything if it gets him on the news.

@nojo: Many thanks for braving the LDS website. So:

“We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman. Our best efforts are required to preserve the sacred institution of marriage.”

I smell lawyers. Bad ones.

See: “ask” is not a directive — even coming from Mormon No. 1. It’s a request, which people could follow or ignore. Room to wiggle off the hook? I’m not up on IRS directives to know for sure — seeing as they have been pretty damned useless, if the wide tolerance of voter guides and related nonsense is to be believed.

But: “our best efforts are required….” spoken from the pulpit? I see what they did there.

@SanFranLefty: @homofascist: @Tommmcatt Yet Again: They seemed to stay on point here, even though we have our own groups of communists, greens, socialists, etc. here. The only commies I saw were those of the Revolutionary Communist Party passing out there little newspaper, Revolution, but not holding signs. They were way outnumbered by gay Democrats trying to get out the vote for Jim Martin.

@Dodgerblue: I feel my lungs tightening up just looking at it.

@Dodgerblue: Doesn’t Newt have a gay sister? Awkward family Thanksgiving ahead…

@Mistress Cynica: @Dodgerblue: Gay bating is sooooo 1995. I think that might be the last time they talked to each other.

Also, Generalissimo HF, I would much prefer 37 non-virgins. It’s just easier that way.

@rptrcub: I agree about the non-virgins.

But seriously, folks, Newt’s argument is the same one used to support bans on black slaves learning to read or Jews leaving the shtetl: corruption of “Christian” society by the inherently impure. If further evidence is needed that the Prop 8 struggle is a civil rights issue, I don’t know what it would be.

@Dodgerblue: I guess the “uppity faggot” axiom might apply as well.

Also, TJ: The Guardian says Hillbot to accept SecState.

rptrcub: DO NOT WANT

[Add: if true, who’s on the Dem bench to take her spot? I’m not as up on New York politics as I used to be, but Andrew Cuomo is likely. But what would really kick ass is David Paterson nominating himself. Dude kicks ass. He should be on the national stage. Plus his lieutenant governor is… is… oh wait he doesn’t have one. Andrew Cuomo it is. Oy vey.]

@rptrcub: Good thing I haven’t tossed that Days of Our Lives graphic yet…

(…but I ain’t running it until we get a second source. WaPo’s balking so far.)

By the way, could all you media folks please stop comparing Barry to assassinated Presidents? Fate is a bitch.

@chicago bureau: @rptrcub: Nononononono. Gaaaaah! I need another drink.

@nojo: I know, right! Lincoln, Kennedy, MLK. What is the thing they all have in common?

@rptrcub: And come on, the virgins are fun. Sure they cum quick at first, but at some point you get them all trained and they are lots of good times.

@chicago bureau: How about Anthony Weiner for Hillbot’s seat? He’s a hell of a character, and Chuck’s protege. I have a very funny Anthony Weiner story from my DC days that I will tell at the Stinque Inaugural Party.

I’m out of phase, always late to the party.But i do keep up, because you are all so kind and witty. If any of you read Alan Furst on my sayso and like him, please advise.

Late to the party is sometimes early. I am so hepped up by the news that Hillary has accepted darling B’s offer to her of Secy of State. I know that a lot of you mistrust both clintons severely, but I know Midwesterners and Wellesley girls, because I are one. Hillary is a straight arrow. When my husband and I went to vote in the Indiana primary, he voted for Hillary and I voted for Obama only because i had heard so much venom against Hillary that all I cared about was that we should elect a Democrat. And by God, what a splendid Dem0crat we’ve got.

Have you read his books?

@Dave H: Word. B isn’t a liberal. Doesn’t subscribe to the old left/right political structures.

Did anyone see the Frontline bio of Lee Atwater? UGH. PTUI! Had to take a shower afterwards. Most bizarre moment (one among many) was Mary Matalin claiming that both W and Atwater were ‘intellectuals’ who read at least 4 books a month. I had to rewind and see that several times.

The old Bush campaign was identical to PGs. But B completely sidestepped the old way of doing things let them win before. Plus we have the internet now.

Dialogue between a lesbian and a Mormon at Vanity Fair. Interesting reading. Every time they say they can’t understand why we’re pissed off, I think the angel Moroni cries. They act all so naive and victimy.

@rptrcub: Doesn’t work with my browser(s). The page layout comes up as garbage.

@Benedick: Try this.

Pardon my stupidity but I have a question. I was talking to a friend about the calling in gay thing for the DayWithoutAGay event and we were wondering what to call in as as a str8 girl. What is the appropriate terminology?

@Jamie Sommers: I would call in fabulous.

@rptrcub: I love it!