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	<title>Comments on: Defense of Marriage, 1959 Edition</title>
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		<title>By: IanJ</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2008/11/12/defense-of-marriage-1959-edition/#comment-10598</link>
		<dc:creator>IanJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also speak German, because I decided in a bit of sibling rivalry at a young age that it was &quot;my&quot; language (imagine my younger brother and me defiantly clutching our respective pocket dictionaries).  Spent a year there just out of HS, and still have a feel for the language, although my vocabulary is best described as &quot;limited&quot; at this point.  But when I left, people asked where I was going back to, and I had to patiently explain that yes, I really was American.  One thing I definitely get: accents and colloquialisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also speak German, because I decided in a bit of sibling rivalry at a young age that it was &#8220;my&#8221; language (imagine my younger brother and me defiantly clutching our respective pocket dictionaries).  Spent a year there just out of HS, and still have a feel for the language, although my vocabulary is best described as &#8220;limited&#8221; at this point.  But when I left, people asked where I was going back to, and I had to patiently explain that yes, I really was American.  One thing I definitely get: accents and colloquialisms.</p>
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		<title>By: mellbell</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2008/11/12/defense-of-marriage-1959-edition/#comment-10587</link>
		<dc:creator>mellbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10580&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rptrcub&lt;/a&gt;: Paternal grandma is fully German, paternal grandpa is half, and maternal grandma is half; ergo, I am half German, right? It confused the hell out of the Germans when I told them that. They asked which of my parents emigrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-10580" rel="nofollow">rptrcub</a>: Paternal grandma is fully German, paternal grandpa is half, and maternal grandma is half; ergo, I am half German, right? It confused the hell out of the Germans when I told them that. They asked which of my parents emigrated.</p>
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		<title>By: rptrcub</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2008/11/12/defense-of-marriage-1959-edition/#comment-10580</link>
		<dc:creator>rptrcub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10523&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SanFranLefty&lt;/a&gt;: @&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10525&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benedick&lt;/a&gt;: Ulterior motive? It was my minor in college. And I do have a bit of the German heritage way back (names changed during WWI), but the Irish-Scottish-English outweighs it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-10523" rel="nofollow">SanFranLefty</a>: @<a href="#comment-10525" rel="nofollow">Benedick</a>: Ulterior motive? It was my minor in college. And I do have a bit of the German heritage way back (names changed during WWI), but the Irish-Scottish-English outweighs it.</p>
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		<title>By: mellbell</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2008/11/12/defense-of-marriage-1959-edition/#comment-10578</link>
		<dc:creator>mellbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10553&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benedick&lt;/a&gt;: Drop me a line at honeydewmellen, yahoo, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-10553" rel="nofollow">Benedick</a>: Drop me a line at honeydewmellen, yahoo, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: baked</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2008/11/12/defense-of-marriage-1959-edition/#comment-10557</link>
		<dc:creator>baked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the rat speaks fluent german because the german teacher had huge tits.
why oh why don&#039;t i see a red flag when it waves in my face?
meaning: i am also available for all your translation needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the rat speaks fluent german because the german teacher had huge tits.<br />
why oh why don&#8217;t i see a red flag when it waves in my face?<br />
meaning: i am also available for all your translation needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Benedick</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2008/11/12/defense-of-marriage-1959-edition/#comment-10553</link>
		<dc:creator>Benedick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10530&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SanFranLefty&lt;/a&gt;: Totally. Play of mine is playing Gomorra. You both will be my guest. We will burn in the flames of hell together.

@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10532&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mellbell&lt;/a&gt;: I do. Some translatering. Mostly highlights culled from reviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-10530" rel="nofollow">SanFranLefty</a>: Totally. Play of mine is playing Gomorra. You both will be my guest. We will burn in the flames of hell together.</p>
<p>@<a href="#comment-10532" rel="nofollow">mellbell</a>: I do. Some translatering. Mostly highlights culled from reviews.</p>
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		<title>By: mellbell</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2008/11/12/defense-of-marriage-1959-edition/#comment-10532</link>
		<dc:creator>mellbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10522&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benedick&lt;/a&gt;: Need help with something auf Deutsch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-10522" rel="nofollow">Benedick</a>: Need help with something auf Deutsch?</p>
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		<title>By: SanFranLefty</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2008/11/12/defense-of-marriage-1959-edition/#comment-10530</link>
		<dc:creator>SanFranLefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10525&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benedick&lt;/a&gt;: On a perhaps related to your need for German speakers note - are you going to hang out with me and Ewalda when you&#039;re in SF in January?

@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10527&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Promnight&lt;/a&gt;: You&#039;re right that this is a cynical attempt to cleave the ghey-black coalition that helped elect the Unicorn. And MSM doesn&#039;t have its shit together enough to dig out the truth. 
Because if you dig down in the numbers, it&#039;s not about black/white support for Prop. 8. It&#039;s about the old/young levels. Young blacks (and Latinos) in CA opposed Prop. 8 at almost the same levels as young Anglo voters. Old whites voted overwhelmingly for Prop. 8, and old blacks and Latinos voted proportionately more for Prop. 8, but it wasn&#039;t within the margin of victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-10525" rel="nofollow">Benedick</a>: On a perhaps related to your need for German speakers note &#8211; are you going to hang out with me and Ewalda when you&#8217;re in SF in January?</p>
<p>@<a href="#comment-10527" rel="nofollow">Promnight</a>: You&#8217;re right that this is a cynical attempt to cleave the ghey-black coalition that helped elect the Unicorn. And MSM doesn&#8217;t have its shit together enough to dig out the truth.<br />
Because if you dig down in the numbers, it&#8217;s not about black/white support for Prop. 8. It&#8217;s about the old/young levels. Young blacks (and Latinos) in CA opposed Prop. 8 at almost the same levels as young Anglo voters. Old whites voted overwhelmingly for Prop. 8, and old blacks and Latinos voted proportionately more for Prop. 8, but it wasn&#8217;t within the margin of victory.</p>
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		<title>By: Promnight</title>
		<link>http://www.stinque.com/2008/11/12/defense-of-marriage-1959-edition/#comment-10527</link>
		<dc:creator>Promnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10448&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Original Andrew&lt;/a&gt;:  They run with this issue for two reasons only, and I am sure there is a Rove memo which lays this out:  1.  The fundies hate teh gays, so making this a constantly visible issue energizes the mouth-breathing shithead base; and 2.  they think this issue will create a schism, a cleavage line, my poli-sci friends, between teh blacks and the democrats.  And if you have been listening to Fox and the right wing echo chamber the last week, you can&#039;t help but see they are reading from a script, a Rove script, that says to keep blaming the victory of prop 8 on teh blacks.

Thats all it is, cynical manipulation of a percieved hot button issue that could sever the democrats from the base of black voter support.  Its laughably obvious that a memo has been sent around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-10448" rel="nofollow">Original Andrew</a>:  They run with this issue for two reasons only, and I am sure there is a Rove memo which lays this out:  1.  The fundies hate teh gays, so making this a constantly visible issue energizes the mouth-breathing shithead base; and 2.  they think this issue will create a schism, a cleavage line, my poli-sci friends, between teh blacks and the democrats.  And if you have been listening to Fox and the right wing echo chamber the last week, you can&#8217;t help but see they are reading from a script, a Rove script, that says to keep blaming the victory of prop 8 on teh blacks.</p>
<p>Thats all it is, cynical manipulation of a percieved hot button issue that could sever the democrats from the base of black voter support.  Its laughably obvious that a memo has been sent around.</p>
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		<title>By: Benedick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benedick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10460&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rptrcub&lt;/a&gt;: You read German as well? (Thanks SFL) I have an ulterior motive in asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-10460" rel="nofollow">rptrcub</a>: You read German as well? (Thanks SFL) I have an ulterior motive in asking.</p>
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